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sorry , We don`t do Drugs
Submitted by dr_hamza on Tue, 27/03/2007 - 6:43pm.
Al-salamo Alykom
Is there is any Other Linux Distro rather than The RedHat ?
That`s Was Not My Question ...! My Real Question is How to Help the People In RHCE and RHCT to Believe There is another Powerful Distros Rather The Red Hat ......?? For me ( as am Using some Distro at many PCs " as Geek " ) I found it hard To Believe the Bugs of The Egyptian education and the Egyptian community Traditions come to geeks stuff....
some people i met , wanna to make Distro. redhat based ..... when i met the people i realize there is something strange , They didn`t know any thing about the other Unix or Linux Distros. Just " Hear about it "
that`s was the first prob , i didn`t try to help them to believe there is another distro as i was interested to hear their Points .
That`s was My Questions :
1. why RedHat ? 2. what`s the New You will Offer at this Distro ? 3. what`s the Desktop Environment you planning to use ? 4. Other Distro Packages as ( Debian , Slackware ) how You will handle it ? 5. and this Distro for WHO ?
The aim of My Questions to know for sure , if those people was interested to get more info rather than the Certificate papers but lets hear the answers and you will see for Yourself :
1. RedHat / Fedora : Stable , Powerful , and Flexible ( i had to add and got`s 2 Certificates you are working on them right now ) 2. The new Distro will offer some Packages and Multimedia support (!!!!) 3. We will Use The KDE , To make the user feel more relaxed/familiar from shifting the Windows ..... 4. ................................................................................( that`s the answer about other distro packages ) 5. That`s Distro for WHO ? for the students and Engineering faculty for students in (.............and ............. Deps )
When i suggest they use another DE as xfce , fluxbox or adding an E17 .........it`s seems it`s the first time they heard of that stuff ...... ( i don`t know what those people study at the Certificates ) but if that Certificates comes as the same way as Egyptian Education ( The Only Thing You know is Just The truth and The other people Just Wrong , or Fools .......and Closing up the Creativity up on some locked way .....)
That`s make me asking again
SO Now what`s the Difference between Those Linux Certificate and Microsoft Certificates
* Both Powered by Companies * Both make great example about Meta-Egyptian Education .. ( Get and Run - forget you have to upgrade ) * Both Limit The Creativity
Of Course That`s not all of the people who get those certificates ....... or working using it
but people who see they only the rights and other people wrongs means :
EGYPTIAN EDUCATION ITEMS still Guide them and look them up.
it`s hard to see people saying Fedora is Stable than ( Debian , freeBSD , Slackware , ubuntu , and Gentoo .....etc) and they never seen any of those Distro in action
my AIM here is to make point : are we are linux geeks or some people interested to get some Certificates ( papers ) to add it to our CVs ( cause that`s the same concept of the Recored / save and replay of the Egyptian Education )
We are Not Robots ( guided by Companies ) we are open mined Computer geek
and The Most Important we are Not afraid to take a risk and trying the other distro ....... be careful if You are trying to take the risk and install another Distro You are Cracking The Egyptian Tradition ....... ( NO NEED TO RISK / Why You should take that risk ?) Let Your answer be (WHY NOT?)
P.s : I had been in Italy ... some sort of Bio-Informatics Meeting : and i had to ask some of people out there : did any one interested of getting RHCE or RHCT ??
The answer was : " sorry Doc We don`t do Drugs "
Long post, need long replay
First let tell u something, i am nothing guy, not GNU nor Microsoft..
I am some one with passion for something and needs..
my passion is private thing so we won`t discuss it here..
My need is same as any one needs ( MONEY )
If my passion meet my needs the that great if not ....
why Debian,slack, even fedora, all community based distro no mid/large size company will relay on them..
and for sure no enterprise will relay on them..
for long time on business field Linux wasn't seriously considered coz no company support it...
mean when ur great Debian burn my servers i have no one to hang..
if they late on the updates i have no one to shout on phone...
OSS clearly come without any kind of guarantee, u use it on ur own...
now there is something i don`t understand ..
what u really don`t like...
suse,red hat domination of business and cert OR people alliteration about every thing but RHCE/T ..
i could guess ur problem with people , and about Egyptian education bugs thing let me tell u something could make u happy...
over certified people in USA, euro is considered unskilled and they cover that with the CERTs they achieve...
So it world wide behavior to care only about CERTs...
Please calm down and as one of ma Friends said
Its not a new religious
Best Regards
I Was Known as POSIX
"Europe is considered
"Europe is considered unskilled" :
Please Look again ............
The Community Driven Projects coming from Europe more than 170% of that community driven Projects coming from USA...
That`s was a little t-chat in meeting at USA recorded in unofficial meeting about community driven projects / companies...
You would be Surprised when You know how many sites you seen in German and French to get the info you need , and it`s seems to be so late in English for months
Regards
one phrase
that is one phrase
over certified people in USA, euro is considered unskilled and they cover that with the CERTs they achieve...
and i know that the next sites after english on numbers is german
I Was Known as POSIX
It`s not about The Distro
. i see Clearly You got another Points
My Aim is :
Some people didn`t deal with that Topic as You do " Passion - love"
Deal with it as kind of Save , Record , Replay and No Need To upgrade
It`s really common Thinking ........
the prob is the people and how they THINK ........
was Never about The Distro..
am Mac.OSX User /Slackware and Fan of Ubuntu.
The Ubuntu have No Certificates Yet but That's didn't bother the Geov. of France to Shift to it ;)
If We think in That stuff as some paper You get and use , it`s become something silly cause no passion involved
france gov
France gov dumped win for ubuntu..!!!!
man gov don`t use O/S goz it has certificate .
u got me wrong, they use supported o/s, ...
who support ubuntu.... community
that doesn't work with gov and companies, that work with me and you -
When those people have to upgrade they willi said it but it seems u didnot notice..
Its NEEDS , when they need to they will , as its not passion or hubby it's business.
Take care
I Was Known as POSIX
we replace " Redhat "
The NEEDS You are talking about is Organized By The community , but that's when there is Powerful community indeed... lets Back to the Facts.......
Egypt IT world Now is powered by IT Companies .... Microsoft .etc
The IT community Here in Egypt is quite Locked and almost with no Power - with no Voice -
but if you back to my first Article : You will find am not attacking the certificates
but if The Egyptian Education Common Thinking Come to believe The certificates is the only Way to work and The certificates Martials is the only sources to get the Knowledge...that's the real Prob.
Back to the Facts about the unskilled People :
an old article at http://www.amia.org/ ( Medical Informatics American association ) clear some Points about " Unskilled IT people at Europ"
"regrading the Bio-Informatics and Medical informatics coming from Computer Geeks , it's now at dangerous levels how those non-Certificated Knowledgeable people can come with powerful solutions , that's will make some slow progress for the Projects coming by companies , not in the Bio/Medical Informatics but also at General IT filed ..... The Medical Informatics Certificate by classic way ( companies / Universities ) had been ignored and replaced by - the Portfolio .............. "
Jonathan Teich, MD, PhD ( and head of Medical Bio Informatics Company at USA )
at Pharmaceutical company at KSA we replace " Redhat " with Ubuntu 2 years ago :)
and my passion for the Ubuntu as i seen , we can install it for non-skilled people PCs ............
off-topic
i know that what i am about to say is off-topic, i am not talking about skilled peoples, just users. i also noticed that most users in linux communities and too many small and medium scale oss developers are not americans, more accurately they are europeans, so what ? (that is nothing about skills) i thought americans may be little isolated (or shy?!) due to political and/or social issues, but that also applies on canadians and british, so i looked for statistics about linux usage across the world, and found this: guess which continent go faster for linux ? made your guess ? see this, wrong guess ? Antarctica is also the second highest density of linux users :) (egypt is the 183 between 202 countries that have registered users in the counter) back to europe vs usa i didn't recognize any european country rated after usa(43) in densty exept latvia(46), romania(50), croatia(56), cyprus(60), greece(63), ukraine(93) and russia(97). (that's too many already ? check the 42 before usa) by the way, if we are compairing between continents that makes difference, canada is the 29, mexico 94. when it comes to number of users, usa is the highest with 24832 user usa + canada + mexico = 30929 germany + poland + spain + italy + france + united kingdom + netherlands = 45373
i say again that is just what encountered their counter which is not official from any point of view, and not related at all with users skills
Yup agree with You again
Yup agree with You again ....
the main point according to my replay is Previous replay for http://www.eglug.org/node/2729#comment-20163
and he consider ( Skills .)
"over certified people in USA, euro is considered unskilled and they cover that with the CERTs they achieve..."
but you catch the Point again , it`s not about numbers or about skills it's more about the communities and the power of that community
lets back to the fact
Those Community got " Community Driven projects "
Now here almost Got " Companies Driven Community "
Yupe That's Nothing about the Skills .
first of all, i am -on the
first of all, i am -on the other hand- not the certificate guy, i am not interested into working as sys. admin. or similar, i didn't switch to linux because it is more stable or secure, nor because windows sux linux rox (by the way i still respect windows (the software not its corporation) more and more while using linux, and i find its definition here very unfair), also not for political issue, i still buy stuffs produced by the most evil capitalists on earth, all the story is that why to use theirs while i can use mine, of course the free of free-beer matters but this + that's of the the free speech is what that make it yours. then, i don't call myself as science seeker or geeker, nor professional anything, just the curious user i am. and due to my curiosity i tried to install several distributions, but still doesn't know what really differs, i am currently using ubuntu, and i think i will use it for (ever?) more time, also tried large variety of desktops. for ubuntu, what i found really great: 1)apt system, that's really the best way to find/install/remove softwares i could imagine 2)ubuntu comunity for (1) i am not sure if it can be installed on other distros than debians or not, (i installed rpm too on ubuntu!) but that's (2) why i will not switch (right now) to pure debian or another driven about DE, i find gnome simple but efficient, but plan to switch to enlightenment, it's nicer but still not sure if it may replace gnome. i already know that it will be concidered stupid question if i asked "what is the main difference(s) between distros ?" so better not to ask.
Yupe
I agree and Like Your Points
and about BSD , i tried PC-BSD and DesktopBSD ( new but great ) Both are easy and great indeed
hahaha You are planning for enlightenment too , try elive :)
yup " what is the main difference(s) between distros ? "
No need to know or to make diff. simply the topic about what some people Think ... that`s all
glade you got the point
i am afraid i am not sure
i am afraid i am not sure if i got your point yet "what some people Think", what you expect them to think ? now you suggested to me using elive which really looks great, but what is the difference between it and elbuntu which i currently use.
i just found
i just found this:Comparison_of_Linux_distros it may be useful for someone lost like me
Try www.polishlinux.com
Try
www.polishlinux.com :D
the English Not that cool as the Polish but still Great and fresh.
there was Russian one http://www.linux.org.ru/index.jsp
and the German ones http://www.linux-community.de/ ( I remember there is some English Comparison for the linux and the unix distros out there )
Greeting
thanks, but.. i barely
thanks, but.. i barely read english :) the polish support english and looks very friendly, thanks
welcome :)
welcome :)
You Are NOT LOST
You are Not LOST ....... You Know How To Search.... and Get The Info You Need.......
Just Try ......and Make Your Own opinion which based On Your tests and tries.......Powered By Your Own Search........
YOU ARE NOT LOST........
The LOST WHO BASE HIS OPINION on The Spoken Words Of Other People..
If You need Distro stable , Powerful and community driven , Plus some great people here using ....... Debian is good Choice and alot of people here will help You OUT ...
after all it`s Your Own Choice , and YOU ARE NOT LOST
sorry, but i think i am lost
what i meant is that after using different distros i didn't distinguish the difference between them, unless litle differences like apt on ubuntu (and debians), but i am not sure, may be it could be installed on every thing (but not out of the box like i installed rpm package manager on ubuntu!) thing like sudo makes propaganda, while i find it not secure at all, of course if any workstation have multiuser access, sudo might be a joke, but still most users admit it, i wonder what the reason may be, but of course there is a reson that i don't understand as a naive user, before i download a new distro i look for screenshots, as if that's the desktop is the only thing that make difference some times some guys here say that that distro is more stable than that, there the other guys say the oposite, and when i try both i don't get what they meant, what they mean by stable ? and how can one distro more stable than other ? isn't all services and prgrams can be installed anywhere (after installing its dependecies) ? that's why i said that i am lost, no more no less. by the way i am downloading elive for my too old laptop, they mention in their features sectio "Minimum Requeriments" but i know already that's because of the DE (that can be installed anywhere), but as always may be there is something more that i don't know (i feel really evil to not pay them to support the development after reading this, may be latter, but i don't think so)
Again You are NOT LOST
Again You are NOT LOST , Yes the DE can be installed any where, and sometimes it's looks the real difference ( ) the Distros " The Customization of the DE" , but first hope You see Polish Linux and see how they Diff. between the Distro ( That's Might help )
plus : let me try to exclude a point , Why You Need it ya basha ?
The stability can Provided by many Distros , The Usability for The Normal / Daily User could be Provided by many DE ..... So what's the Difference between the Distros ???
as a little Example " It's The Creativity " What's The New offered in this or that Distro ?
the Only One could Help You out is Yourself ........
and again You are Not Lost ( You have Your Own Personality and Your Own Try outs )and can Read
APT is a debian invention.
APT is a debian invention. It was in Debian even before shuttleworth decided to use his worthy brain and do something called ubuntu.
WWW: The place for organized randoms!
Hahaha
Yes You right :D
and http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ too :D
i didn`t say use :D (Try)
i didn`t say use :D (Try) :D and what`s the difference - it`s Linux and Unix world You got Your own Opinion and tests
by the way, is there any
by the way, is there any (free/open/pc-)bsd user here, i heared about pc-bsd a week ago and planning to give it a try when i have some free space. i don't know how different is compiling via ports and if there is other different things than linux what is it ? also why it is considered as more stable than linux ? deending on what ? the kernel itself or what ? i am afraid if i tried it also and didn't get the difference, may be it is the same unless you get too deep in it
I'm not sure what are you
I'm not sure what are you searching for but here's my 0.02 euros:
WWW: The place for organized randoms!
Agree with You 100%
Mouhamed Sameer - Ya Basha
It's Not about the Distros , It's about some people Think about The Other Distros and same thinking Like the Egyptian Education , Your Source is Your Certificate paper .
beside : it's hard to hear some opinions about the other Distros , regrading it weak or nothing , cause those Distros didn't got Certificates ...especially from people didn't try that other Distro..
Dear Mouhamed Sameer : The Real Question is
Is There is any way to help The certified people to believe there is some Knowledge out of their Certificates , and Respectful Distros such as Debian .etc ?
Meeting some certified People , saying The Distro They are using is the best and The other Distros out of Track , saying the Community Driven Projects will never fit to stand up the companies .....
will make you wonder : where is that leading US ???
Yes Debian works fine ( and still works for some time for me )..
Teslam for The replay
" Hope You got this points in this Short replay "
well, till now RHCE is not
well, till now RHCE is not yet MCSE
so those people are not illiterate yet..
i saw what u r saying among young student who still on they way to get work field experience..
sooner or later they will know that linux is not the ultimate solution there is unix and even widnows...
so they may get open mind and know there is other distros...
they need experience and they will get it with time
I Was Known as POSIX
Glade You Got the Point ,but
but , They are Not Young ----- and Not Student :)
Linux was never the
Linux was never the ultimate answer to everything. That's 42 :-)
Seriously: We are still missing things. Linux is the ultimate answer for my needs and I don't think I'll ever go back to windows but I can't ask someone to use it when s/he is missing fatal things!
WWW: The place for organized randoms!
Just ask them to give it Try
Yes We still Missing Things , as for My needs too ..
Yes we can't ask Them to Use , But we can Ask Them to give it a shot and give it Try :)
What I usually do is to
What I usually do is to ask them to use FOSS applications that run under the win32 platform if they are interested. Later on they can move to Linux if they want and find the same set of applications.
People fear. I learned this.
The Linux learning curve is not really small. I can't recommend fedore, suse or ubuntu. A simple thing, they don't play mp3s by default and I know why they don't but for a simple user, I can't ask him to go, search for the players and download them.
I'll be asking him to switch his OS+be gamiliar with Linux+learn to use new tools and applications+teaching him how to use his package manager in one shot. This is really a huge task.
WWW: The place for organized randoms!
Yes , It's Really Huge Task
Yes , It's Really Huge Task For You alone
But what's the Community For ?
I was so Interested in This Thread http://www.eglug.org/node/1883 until i get this replay http://www.eglug.org/node/1883#comment-18169
Yes The people Fear , and There is No Guide for them / help / support :)
But some articles here / Your site / or other site could help :)
Hope i excluded what i see here :)